View Full Version : With 26 Days to go...
03-02-2009, 12:08 AM
I just counted Transworld Haunt Show has 105 different vendors per my count. It doesn't look like they will sell out the show but I do think they will sell more booths to more vendors. I think we could be looking at 120 different vendors when its all said and done.
In the future I can see the show selling out, gotta get more IAAPA vendors and I think it will happen. There is a lot of room to grow, I mean look there is only one insurance company attending the show and thats a company I don't even use. There are no glow product companies, no food vendors, blah, blah. Turns out this was a bad date because SHOW WEST is like the same time or one way or the other they overlap.
But still 120 or so vendors that is awesome.
With 26 Days to go Behind the Scenes tour 2 is almost sold out.
The Darkness I've concluded can not possibly be completed specifically the museum area. The retail store will be just empty just white walls.
Lots of little things can't be done, but we have got more done than I ever thought... with 26 days to go we'll do our best to finish.
With 26 days to go we're working on another Hauntworld Magazine.
With 26 days to go the new HHA is trying to finalize a lot of loose ends to make their first every appearance.
With 26 days to go the clock is ticking even faster than before!
Now it's getting scary!
03-02-2009, 06:52 AM
Is there a more updated list then the HCP site. I counted 83 yesterday. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong place. 105 is great.
03-02-2009, 07:33 AM
I was told the other day it was up to 250 vendors.
So, it looks like the hauntshow website is way off base.
They were looking to get 300 vendors but don't think they will make that goal.
But said their buyer registration is up over 3000.
03-02-2009, 07:35 AM
You know it is hard to do business like this.
How many of us have gift shops? How many of us sell costumes trinkets and who knows what?
Larry are they going to be there?
Sure a few of them
They need to bring the shows back together.
03-02-2009, 07:55 AM
That is disappointing to hear there wont be any food vendors there. We are expanding our concession area and were looking forward to meeting food vendors to talk about products. The glow neclaces and bracelets are another thing we purchase at the show. They're not gonna be there either???
03-02-2009, 08:01 AM
Just got off the phone with TransWorld. They confirm the vendor count for St. Louis is currently 105, and Vegas is at 300. Of course they're hoping for more by show time.
Booth 815, 14th national Haunt and Attractions Show
March 27-29, St. Louis
03-02-2009, 08:01 AM
Some of us would feel better to know that there is 250 rather than 86. So thanks for that update. CAN SOMEONE CALL THESE STUPID PEOPLE AT TRANSWORLD AND TELL THEM THIS IS MARCH UPDATE THE DAMN SITE!!!! SHANE AND ITS DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHANE THIS TIME.
Ok this is an edit. Thanks Steve for the update.
03-02-2009, 08:06 AM
...it looks like the hauntshow website is way off base.
Unfortunately their website isn't even close to being right. Per my count five minutes ago, there were 83 vendors in their vendor list and 105 shown on their floor plan. This is so frustrating! When is Transworld going to get off their a@@ and update their website regularly???
At the very least, if they donít want to keep their website updated, they could include such information in their mailings! I just got an email from them on Feb 26th and it was pretty much the same general crap they always send out, with the exception of huge green letters at the top of the email reading ďThe Biggest And BestĒ. Why make such a claim, then not back it up with facts? How stupid is that? Give us some proof, show us the numbers. Only then will anyone be impressed. Until you do that, itís just another empty promise.
Donít get me wrong. Iím not getting down on the show. Iím looking forward to it. I canít wait to go, but it just amazes me how poorly they promote their own convention. I have high hopes for this show, but Transworld Exhibits isnít doing us any favors with their lackluster promotion. This has been a problem for years now. How sad!
03-02-2009, 11:42 AM
I'm really looking foward to the show, but I never understood why they hardly advertise. It's not like they don't have the budget. Smaller shows with smaller budgets are advertising much more than Transworld. All they have to do is sign up to all the message boards, write an update every week and just copy and paste. It's that simple, but I guess it's not worth it to them. They could also join all the banner rotations, exchange banners, advertise on Myspace, google, and any site that would bring them traffic such as hauntedhouse.com, horrorfind.com etc. They could also add a live chat feature to their website for people who would like to talk to customer service.
Shane is right. You can't have haunted houses without Halloween. What the Hell is Transworld thinking? Did they actually think the show would be as successful without the Halloween section. It's never going to happen and everyone needs to face the facts. Haunted Houses can't thrive without Halloween? Would you have a Christmas lights convention and not mention Christmas. No, that would be crazy. Halloween and Haunted Houses go hand in hand like peanut butter and jelly. Peanut butter (haunts) is great by itself, but when you add Jelly (Halloween) it becomes complete and that much better.
Why are haunts open mostly in the Fall because fall is associated with Halloween and everything that is haunting. Halloween is a much bigger business than the haunt industry and we need their help. It's that plain and simple. Without Halloween the show will never be as successful as it could be. I guarantee you that this year numbers will be down for vendors no doubt about it. With a much smaller crowd you'll get much less business. I hope I'm wrong, but I kind of doubt it.
03-02-2009, 12:20 PM
ONE HUNDRED AND TWELEVE SO FAR ARE ATTENDING... with 26 days to go this can grow and probably will.
There are several mixed numbers posted but we are at 112 the most of any haunt show ever produced.
We will probably pick up another 15 or more over the last 26 days.
There are more booths sold for this Hauntshow than any other hauntshow ever produced with 254 booths of products and services from people who want to sell you something.
This is a success and our industry needs to final show some professionalism and some enthusiam. This show is for people who own haunted houses and that is a major accomplishment.
Lets not forget how many people asked for this, demanded this, especially when most of us almost got shut out of the show a few years back when retailers asked for us to all be removed.
THIS IS A TIME TO CELEBRATE!
03-02-2009, 12:26 PM
amusement owner operator. We are not far off that number...see Haunts are bigger than we gave ourselves credit for!
112 vendors are coming.
254 booths sold so far.
Transword will be at the Halloween retail show trying to sell more booths!
Expect that number to grow over the next few weeks.
03-02-2009, 12:32 PM
There actually is a Christmas Covention. They have one every year and it's called Planet Christmas Plus. But it's way overpriced for the seminars and everything else. I think it would be great to see some Christmas Vendors at Transworld since many haunts are having their own Christmas events after their haunts close for the season. But the Christmas Industry would be better off with their own quality show that's reasonable instead of a few vendors at the Haunt Show. Transworld may want to think about starting their own Christmas lights convention. It's a huge industry to say the least. I decorate my house every year with a huge syncronized lights display and people spend thousands every year decorating their yards. So it's a big business not just for Christmas Light events.
03-02-2009, 12:55 PM
I'm so happy we finally have our own show... I mean we have MORE vendors, 3000 MORE buyers than EVER... it's just going to be awesome. I can't wait! I'd love to see a "haunted" version of IAAPA happen... that'd be sweet as hell!
I will say this about the show... I will support vendors, who support our industry and this show!
LOVE IT... can't wait. -Tyler
03-02-2009, 01:08 PM
Do you have a link to this show. I'm interested in learning more. Pass along more info!
Now back to Haunt Show... (the static you hear is my changing the channel back to channel 13). LOL
03-02-2009, 01:20 PM
You can find information on PLUS 2009 at http://www.planetchristmas.com/PLUS2009.htm. PLUS is pretty much an event for hardcore home Christmas light enthusiasts (comparable to home haunts). They do have some great vendors such as Light O Rama, Animated Lighting, plus many more.
We used to do a Christmas event, but sat out last year. Managed to fully turn our 5 attraction haunted event into a 3 attraction Christmas event within 3 weeks and with the help of less then 10 people. Christmas was very difficult on top of Halloween.
When I spoke with my rep at Transworld I asked about a Christmas section in the coming years and he sounded interested. As of right now there are two Christmas vendors at the show this year. We have been debating branching into the vendor arena of Christmas, but I know that last year it was a difficult season for events that did Halloween and Christmas so weíre holding off for now.
You can check out the photos of our event at http://flickr.com/photos/21837946@N05/
Christmas is a whole different topic all together, but you can check out our light show at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKjDNEriQuU
03-02-2009, 01:31 PM
WOW thanks for the heads up. Your photos looked great btw.
I didn't even know thanks a ton!
03-02-2009, 01:36 PM
I used to be a mascot for a waterpark and Christmas events can be very profitable. It's a lot of work and very hectic changing from warm fun in the sun to a winter wonderland.
03-02-2009, 02:03 PM
I was told by a Halloween retailer that the wholesale and a lot of the halloween retailers didn't want the haunt owners at the show. She said "I have a short amount of time to spend $300,00.00 I can't be standing behind someone looking at one custume trying to make up his mind." THEY don't want us, she also told me that Transworld lost Rubies. This is all secound hand so take it for what it is woth. This is the FIRST haunt show and it looks like it WILL be a hit, it will only get better. God I'm sick of the doom and gloom, there is such a thing as a self fufilling prophecy.
03-02-2009, 02:32 PM
We all smoking crack these days?
Look....LARRY? We all see you pushing for this and that.....Cool have at it.
Can anyone tell me....a small vendor which show he should do?
Which one will give me the best bang for its buck?
Larry says Iaapa? Hmmmm did you see us there Larry?
Show was DEAD as a doornail.......
Now we have a half baked Halloween show to join.........and I can't buy stuff wholesale to resell?
What did I miss here?
Just do the show it will be great....well we are.......who is going to take the beatings when it doesn't work? Who is going to pay our bills if the orders aren't rolling in?
Your right......me and my partners are STILL going to be paying those bills......I don't see a money back guarantee anywhere.
Larry? We as a company are doing the round of shows AGAIN this year. With a new product i have no idea what is going to happen but we need to spend some cash to see how it will go.
When I fail.....not because the product sucks.....but because of the economy.....you going to ask OBAMA for a bailout plan for the haunted house industry?
I hear what you are saying Larry.........I hear you loud and clear.
But what about when it doesn't work.........who is going to say.......sorry I was wrong?
Now I really hope this lotto ticket I just bought will answer all my prayers and NONE of you will be seeing me at TW......That would be a beautiful thing!!!!!
Oh and I am not looking to fight....discuss maybe.....but not fight.
I will be joining Shane in the damn I am 40 club at the end of the week....so I am old now and frail.
03-02-2009, 02:46 PM
Nah... I've got to get a few things actually; some animations, a COUPLE of props, one silicone masks... and TONS of little things. I do have a crew that working on our silicone and foam prosthetics right now... but I'll be picking up some from vendors to help lighten' the load. I'm also meeting with Interactive Ticketing to discuss our online ticketing options... paint, cloths, etc. etc... really, just price checking because I've went through and found almost every haunt "supply" from actual providers... trying to eleminate the middle man (haunt vendor).
For example.... Erosion cloth.... no way in HELL I'm paying $150 a roll! Not when I can get it WAY cheaper! Oh, and no way I'm paying $150 for a guilie (sp?) suit... hell no! -Tyler
PS: Ken, I'll be getting some stench... be ready! lol...
03-02-2009, 02:46 PM
You are 100% correct in what you say.
WE as an industry did this to ourselves......hmmm why are there people outside with pitchforks and torches?
We did.......let me as ALL of you a question.
Scenario...you are a salesperson for ... RUBIES costumes
You see a guy in a suit......or a guy wearing a black tshirt that says GATES OF HELL (and you have already talked to 4 other people with the same shirt on)
Who are you going to run and take care of????
RIGHT...you are going to talk to the guy in the black tshirt........NO YOU AREN'T
Your going to go where you think the $ is.
You already know the guys in the black tshirt only wants the suit over there in the corner.
They have had their whole crew stand there for the last 5 hours on and off just looking at 1 thing.
So you know the pitchforks and the torches are being laid down.......I guess even rioting people understand life.
I do know a few people who careless what they look like.....and wear tshirts and wipe their asses with $100 bills.....
Do I make sense....or is it just to myself?
Haunted houses have no right buying certain things at a wholesale level.
Wholesale means....your going to resell it.....not use it
That would be an end user....hence you get Retail pricing
Why should i be able to call Kenner toys and get the crap as cheap as Toys r us?
I can....if I sell the stuff in my store.....not because I like to collect them or make displays with them.
(bad example....I don't collect Star Wars stuff any MORE)
Seems like everytime a big show comes up.....people sprout claws and want to tear everyone down...........
Just finish making your products.....or finish wishing the show was today.....and go.
We will never know if it will work if you all sit and wait.
We as a company are doing this show.....and we hope our customers do show up!!!
Now 1 thing I know for sure.......since the show is in St Louis.....I am not going to see David Copperfield or Amazing Jonathan at my booth...........
03-02-2009, 03:33 PM
thats right. I was told 350 something booths. I was thinking 350 vendors but it is not.
But if anyone realizes this is the largest # of haunt vendors in the haunt section ever.
And the most pre-registered buyers the haunt show has ever had.
I am personally pretty excited about this show.
We have 3 times the # of new costumes we have ever done in 1 year.
We have 9 new costumes this year, plus many more new items.
And I expect to see lots of buyers hoping we can help them make an impact in their own markets.
You may not see David Copperfield, but he also won't tell you he is going to buy 11 pieces. 1 for each island he haunts and then doesn't follow through.
I know you are going to bring it. You are a good vendor and provide good quality product at a decent price so you will do fine.
I don't know if you realize or not. But this type of attitude is the same every year.
Doom and gloom. Just think back every year on this message board how everyone is always negative and expecting the worst and it is always better than expected.
03-02-2009, 03:48 PM
You don't need to defend yourself Larry, we all know by now you got our backs even if you are a lovable nut job!
See you in ol' Saint looie, looie!
03-02-2009, 04:13 PM
No I didn't say exhibit at IAAPA, I said everyone should attend IAAPA. Also I'm refuting a point made by Shane who doesn' have a clue, that our industry has 100 times more in common with an amusement show than a retail show.
People are confusing their love for Halloween with what is best for their business. IAAPA is 5 BILLION times better for your business than Transworld Retail show... no I'm sorry make that 10 BILLION!
WE ARE NOT RETAILERS PERIOD! WE SHOULD NOT BE CO-LOCATING WITH ARE A RETAIL SHOW PERIOD!
If you want to go and LOOK because God knows we're not buyers at the sexy cloths, wigs, batman and robin stuff go as a looker. If you own and or operate an amusement attraction which is EXACTLY what a haunted house is, then you should go to an AMUSEMENT SHOW NOT A RETAIL SHOW! PERIOD!
If you don't want to listen then go to a retail show... but don't sit here and call me or any other MAJOR haunt out there ego maniacs, or don't slam us because we are successful and you are not! You are NOT successful because those attractions who can't see through glass love drama, fanfest gatherings, or whatever.
I'm a success because I believed in myself, because I pushed myself to do more, learn more, get better, because I spent the money good or bad to take risks. When I was a haunt doing 8000 people at $6.00 it was a risk to invest thousands into marketing and grow the attraction that could have been the end of me right there...
but it wasn't. Was it?
I'm big old bad Larry with the biggest haunt, the most toys, who brags to much so just rip on old Larry, cast off everything he says as just being that he doesn't understand the small haunts and what they go through.
Listen you can all sit her and argue for another hundred years, put down your fellow haunts who do tours, rip on someone's masks, criticize everything someone tries to do for themselves or the industry as a whole but again when you are out of the business because lack of attendance don't point fingers at me or anyone else who tried to tell you the facts.
Take them or leave them.
Bottom line... NO RETAIL SHOW NOTHING IN COMMON NOTHING OTHER THAN SAME HOLIDAY! YOU ARE AN AMSUEMENT ATTRACTION YOU NEED TO ATTEND AN ATTRACTION SHOWS!
The best one of the bunch is IAAPA, second best FUN EXPO, if we can't get YOU THERE we need them to come to YOU, and we can only do that with an HALLOWEEN AMUSEMENT SHOW.
03-02-2009, 04:17 PM
What I posted earlier today is the exact number of booths sold and unique vendors attending. I expect as does Transworld the numbers will grow after their retail show. They will be at the show selling for this show.
Lets keep the shows seperate and grow this one into a full blown amusement show with a slide to Halloween Attractions.
I expect over 2,000 people to attend this show from Universal Studios, to Six Flags, to Busch Gardens, to buyers overseas, to every haunt owner in the nation. QUALIFIED BUYERS FOR PEOPLE WHO OWN AND OPERATE ATTRACTIONS!
Over here I'm still working the phone, emails and letters to people promoting the show. I won't quit until the March 29th at 4pm.
03-02-2009, 06:16 PM
Larry the part you are missing is the buyers that go to both sides of the show. We have purchased from the Halloween and Haunt side EVERY year. This will end however with all of these damn shows. Yes some will go and look while others may buy. So in the end we get screwed with the split. Well in the end the haunt vendors actually get screwed even more because we can't buy their product. Maybe unit 70 was smart for sitting this one out. See how things go the first year is probably smarter. Transworld claims 3000 buyers. Is that attendees or buyers. I know some haunts bring 15 people. I hope they are not counting all of these as buyers.
03-02-2009, 06:18 PM
there are too many shows to keep track of I'm still confused at which one is which and whos arguing what side. I like the Christmas idea and I'm fine with Transworld bein transworld. But only other convention that seems clear cut to me is the MHC. All these nation haunters conventions, hauntcons, IAAPA conventions are confusing me. Transworld is split up as it is so why are there even more of these things. Ben is the new president tell him to some how within 2-3 years get all of the conventions RELATED to HAUNTERS not halloween HAUNTERS into 1 or 2 conventions and then possibly keep them in march. Easier said then done i guess. Vincent This Time!
03-02-2009, 08:13 PM
Screamline attended the transworld meeting last year when everyone (for the most part) said keep this show together!!! NO SCREW WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY do what we think is best as we wear our sunday best and have no clue what all of us haunters want... I really do wish the show success but as a vendor we will not be vending this year, however we will attend to get the lay of the land for future vending. In my opinion folks we already have to many just haunt trade shows and adding one more just makes it even worse. Going on four years ago we vended at a show called MHC, it was a bust the first year, but with alot of hard work, compassion, sacrific, and hell just a hole lot of love! POOF they created a show for the haunt industry!! Haunters for haunters! there is alot to be said about this, and if anyone thinks transworld will have this passion let me FUCKING SEE IT. As a fellow haunter and vendor i can say this!! I am open to a new show but give me a reason just one good reason why i would go to transworld show(as a vendor) over MHC or any other haunt show that has been around for a while!!!! just because they have 112 vendors WOW!!! I am sorry if i sound negitive but i never once backed this move and never will.
03-02-2009, 08:26 PM
Many including myself were lead to believe that all the vendors wanted this. Are you saying that was not the case? I maybe just misreading your post. And if I am reading it right who and what caused them to go aginst the fact that most vendors wanted it to stay together? Shane and its can you explain more? Shane this time.
This is not to invite Drama as Larry will assuse me of. I am just trying to see what went wrong?
03-02-2009, 09:14 PM
It was the big wigs that attended transworld that did not want us haunters around and them alone....So with that said shane! most vendors never wanted a move, i believe it was a move to please just the big boys.
03-02-2009, 09:48 PM
OK EVERYONE lets break the shows down, we have MHC, EHC, HAUNTCON, IRONSTOCK,HORRORHOUND,TRANSWORLD VEGAS, TRANSWORLD ST.LOUIS,IAAPA,TEXAS SHOW, help me out here people i am sure there are many more!!!!! To me when you have to many choices you end up saying screw it and just go to a show you are familiar with.
P.S Am i wrong??? i really hope so
03-02-2009, 10:07 PM
As a business person, doesn't what TW is doing make a lot of sense? Split the shows up and then bet that many of the vedors will be forced to buy a booth at BOTH shows. To me, as someone that owns a retail costume store and a haunt, it sucks because now I am forced to go to both shows compared to when it was at one location...
03-02-2009, 10:13 PM
For what its worth, I spend 95% of my budget for shows (not my total budget) at Transworld and this year it will be at the Haunt Show in St Louis. I have nothing against the other shows, its just where I spend my money.
03-02-2009, 10:16 PM
You hit it right on the head, the only people that benifit is TRANSWORLD they are trying to force the retail and haunts to seperate but in some kind of twisted way still meet in the end. However what they overlooked is this moment in time where most people are broke!!! BIG PROBLEM i would say.
03-02-2009, 10:29 PM
I wish you the best bro, I am sure you will find some good goods by great vendors. My take is this! most buyers wait a year or two before they buy from a new vendor so why would it be different for a vendor(new show)??? to wait for the buyers to stablize..
03-02-2009, 11:30 PM
Screamline Studios should be at this show. I understand you have real jobs, and work like 24/7 and I feel for you I've been there. When I got started in this business I had 2 or 3 real jobs myself. I know how hard it is but without those sacrfices you make on a daily basis we both know you can't accomplish what you want to accomplish.
I'm sure you'd love nothing more than to wake up and do Screamline Studios every single day. I know the feeling and you will get there because of your dedication.
However let me tell you with anything you must market your business, be it through industry magazines, tradeshows, web banner ads, mass emails, directy mailing, promoting products on message boards, or all of the above. If you don't do these things you won't move out of the office chair and into your studio full time. On top of creating a great product you must market a great product.
When we rank out the best forms of marketing your products it does start with the best tradeshow options and clearly Transworld's show is the best option because they have the most buyer support, and because they are spending the most money to bring in qualified buyers.
That is not to say that you should go to other shows, or do other forms of marketing just you have to put your money into the pot with the pot odds or the highest. This is that time.
Now its easy for you or anyone else to sit here and say that oh Transworld benefits the most. WHO CARES? Do you think anyone does something for no benefit no profit? Tell that to your bank who wants you to pay your car payment, or your home loan. If you borrow $150k on your house over 30 years you pay it back four times. Does that sound fair? Who benefits?
Both of you... you got a house, they made money from you owning your house. Nothing in this world works unless all parties benefit that is just how it goes.
If Transworld does their job correctly then you benefit from the buyers they pull to the table... yes?
Its all cost vs. return. If you spend XYZ and get back XYZ more then you benefited. Yes? If they made a profit from you for your attendance they benefited. That is how our world works in a free economy.
If you want to move to China things are a bit different... do you really want to live in China? I have been there and trust me you do NOT want to move to China, must less North Korea. LOL
Everyone must benefit Jason or this doesn't happen in the first place.
03-02-2009, 11:40 PM
I here you on the tradeshows, just a little up ended on my side...
03-02-2009, 11:40 PM
As for the tradeshows I hear you...when you can't do it you can't do it. But its also times like these that you go for it, you borrow money and make you it happen. Jason its tough now and that is when the tough get going. Get your butt up there and show us all your great products because everyone knows you have great products. I do hope you find a way to come you are needed at the show without a doubt!!!
03-02-2009, 11:49 PM
Thank you for the kind words Larry.
03-03-2009, 12:29 AM
No problem Jason.
BTW... this topic was intended to discuss the final countdown to the show and nothing else. Lets get back on topic of talking about something that is going to be very important part of your 2009 Halloween season.
I'm going out of town for two day so I won't be around much. Going to Wisconsin Dells... we are finishing two blacklight mini golf attractions and we'll be installing a massive haunted house there as well.
This is a whole other subject but I called Leonard and told him at Hauntcon they could probably tour this haunt we're building up in the Dells... hopefully everyone who goes to Hauntcon can check it out.
Anyway hoping Transworld 2009 Haunt show is a major success for everyone.
03-03-2009, 07:51 AM
We are putting our best foot forward and I hope you will all like them.
I know there will be alot to chose from at the show.....
Larry......I hear you!
I just know that when we roll the dice....we are rolling it by ourselves.
There is no one to fall back on....only our work.
I do hope it is enough.
Doom and Gloom is certainly always going to be here
I and not doom and gloom....just grounded
Things in real life have a way of chipping away at you.....the hide isn't thick enough sometimes.
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