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    The Today show? That's pretty good. And Will and Mel B would do it. Hardly bad press.
     

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    Jack you're wrong. The industry can and should be perceived better why embrace the bottom feeder mentality and act like you can't evolve beyond that? Look at the most successful people in this business. They aren't the goofy looking carnie folk of haunters of days gone by these guys are businessmen who could excel in other types of business. Unlike some haunters they choose to do this its not like that's all they can do with their lives. You accepting this classless behavior makes you an enabler. Just because it can get you pr doesn't mean its a good thing. I mean there IS SUCH A THING AS POSITIVE PR after all.

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    Jack did you even read what I said... think for just one second here. The only thing they are talking about is the naked haunted house not anything else about the haunt. That is the only press he's getting... what do you think 99 people out of 100 are going to say about doing that... AHHHHH NO THANKS!

    So the press you are getting is slanted negative everything you read is slanted negative, Pat himself admitted he's taking some backlash. So my point is and I'm 110% right on this ... the focus where his bread and butter is the haunted itself and no one is talking about that they are talking about a naked haunted house which almost NO one is going to do.

    When people now think of his haunted house they'll think nah we'll skip that because we aren't going naked...

    Have you ever heard the word 'stereotype' or 'typecast' how many times have you heard an actors say they won't do a second horror movie or they won't do a horror movies or they won't do this or that kind of movie to avoid being typecast. Was Linda Blair typecast? Did she have a career after Exorcist??? What I think he's doing here is typecasting his haunt he's attaching bad karma to everything they've done in the past... he can come back later and say it worked out but I'll know different.

    I know that this was a really bad idea because it is... and I say to ANY haunt owner out there if you think its so great where is your naked haunted house? Enough said...

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    We have a difficult job in the Haunted House industry.

    We ride the razors edge between two concepts… HALLOWEEN and HORROR.

    HALLOWEEN represents pumpkins, fall leaves, Trick or Treat, Ghost Stories and having fun being afraid. It has a family vibe and the seasons arrival is what puts bread on ALL Of our Tables.
    The Second concept HORROR runs the gamut from classic monsters all the way to the most vile torture porn out there.

    Stick too close to HALLOWEEN and your event seems tame - a show for kids only. Dive too deep into HORROR of the vile sort and you alienate a huge audience - the non horror fan haunted house going public (your biggest possible group of guests)

    So what to do? Well obviously in a perfect world if you can create a show that is amazing, very scary but not nasty enough to drive off 75% of your possible business.

    There are those that can pull off an extreme show and still do well, like Dead Acres and the House of Shock, but they are the exception not the rule. Also both shows in question are just flat out amazing attractions, with sets, lighting and productions at the top of the game. I think they do well in spite of some of what they do (extreme content) not because of it IMHO.

    So why would someone choose extreme content? Either because they think it will help their business or they really like nasty stuff. Well the ONLY way it could help your business is to carve out a niche audience in a competitive market - because limiting possible attendees to a hard core group only is not doing your event any favors.

    That leads us to a new form of “entertainment” abduction simulations. These events pretend to be Haunted Houses but they really are not. Guests sign waivers and are restrained, groped, forced to see and do disgusting things etc. Well with a VERY small group that might want to do this sort of thing, high probability of lawsuits, very slow to non existent throughput, they sound to me like a terrible business model. Unless the producer really likes torturing people why? This sounds like something for the BDSM crowd only. If it is for press… do you really want that sort of press? That when people come to your haunt they get tied up and grabbed? Will they be send their 15 year olds to you? No.

    Now on to The Naked Haunt Tour. This naked thing is not really extreme, it is just flat out weird. It doesn’t seem to have anything to do with HALLOWEEN or HORROR, other that the fact it is creepy in an unsavory way. As a business choice, it will get crazy press, but it will most likely degrade the family business this place gets - imagine being the parent explaining to your pre teens WHY this haunted houses producer is doing this… What do you say? Weird weird weird idea. And NO you cannot go.

    Listen I think you can do what ever you want with your haunted house - I think Haunts are like movies go ahead and make your own movie - it can be a scary or nasty or traditional as you have the skill and money to make it….

    But if you do anything too crazy it WILL effect us, your neighbors. We WILL have to explain why you are the way you are to the press when they ask….

    And I don’t know what we are going to say other than… NOT US! There is a reason summer blockbusters are rated PG not R. I would rather have my Haunted House be the Lord of the Rings rather than Hostel any day!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Goff View Post
    Larry, I'm pretty sure that the majority of Jack's post was aimed at the personal attacks made by DarkAnal. It really is over the top, and shameful to be talking about a man on such a personal level. Like the idea or hate the idea, the personal allegations have no place on the internet.
    Over the top? Allegations? You don't get out much do you? If you knew the industry and Patrick's exploits in particular, nothing I said were allegations. Ask around and you'll hear the same from first hand accounts of his drinking and frat boy partying, etc. all I'm saying is based on what is known of him this haunt falls in line with his personality. Be offended if in lying mike, not when I'm telling the truth.

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    This thread makes me LOL. Oh noes, controlled, concealed nudity in the industry!

    We better grab out pitch forks and tell this small business owner what to do, because it's our job! It's immoral, despite the fact we run haunted attractions that depict murder, enslavement, kidnapping, and sometimes irreverence.

    What moral basis exists where one can complain about voluntary, controlled and safe nudity as a PR stunt but fully accept haunts that show so many acts that have a basis.

    IRONY.

    If anyone feels like responding to my post, I won't be responding in turn. This entire thread is ironic trolling.
     

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    I have been watching and reading the past week about Pat's Shocktoberfest ""Unknown Haunted House" event that has gone viral nationally and has many different comments on this thread.

    Personally I think it is an event that will be a fad of a year or two. The popularity of the Naked and Afraid show on the Family type channel, Discovery Channel has been very high. One has to be careful not to let it get out of hand. From what I have read it appears that Pat is setting it up to avoid problems, much like the Discovery channel blurs the body parts on the show.

    The idea at this time seems very ingenious and has been a PR hit and got many talking. Larry has a point of the possible stereotype that the whole event may get. The personal attacks I have read on this thread only expose people themselves for who they are. Discuss the idea and make your points.

    Would I do that in my haunt, in little small town Huntington, Indiana? The haunt that is the longest running haunt in the world even if it isn't recognized by certain experts and industry self proclaimed sites and associations? No. I won't be doing it in Huntington.

    Would I do it in Ft Wayne, Indiana, at the Haunted Cave, my new haunt I just bought? Maybe. Ft Wayne is a bigger market. How would I do it? Well, one of the local radio stations morning shows that have a man and woman in their late 20's hosting have brought the idea to me to do a a ONE night charity fundraiser. So yes I may do it and keep it to one night and have fun with it as well as be very careful to control the whole event in a way to not lose our identity to a stereotype of that haunt with naked people.

    Why would I do it? If done right, the event would garner publicity, and with the radio station involved like this it would be a fad event with a charity benefiting. Several years ago we did an event that Kelly Collins had talked about in a seminar at MWH that we used. Try to stay the night at the Haunted Hotel was done with a Halloween costume store. At the end of the season ten names were drawn and the person who picked the right key (only 3 were brave enough to show up) got to stay after we closed on a Saturday night and had to be there until dawn to win $1000. The hand picked staff was promised $500 to split if they were successful in scaring them out. The kid stayed, but almost left in the middle of the night. The talk of that promotion went for several years as we kept fielding calls about it by people wanting to volunteer to try to win the money.

    As many have mentioned, this industry has a wide variety of event themes within itself and the idea of leaving a fear, that of being naked around others, is not broached very often. But the one host on the Today show that did say she would try it was from the United Kingdom, where nudity isn't the prudish thing we Americans make it out to be. The idea is not about sex, but fear of nudity around others.

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    I have been watching and reading the past week about Pat's Shocktoberfest ""Unknown Haunted House" event that has gone viral nationally and has many different comments on this thread.

    Personally I think it is an event that will be a fad of a year or two. The popularity of the Naked and Afraid show on the Family type channel, Discovery Channel has been very high. One has to be careful not to let it get out of hand. From what I have read it appears that Pat is setting it up to avoid problems, much like the Discovery channel blurs the body parts on the show.

    The idea at this time seems very ingenious and has been a PR hit and got many talking. Larry has a point of the possible stereotype that the whole event may get. The personal attacks I have read on this thread only expose people themselves for who they are. Discuss the idea and make your points.

    Would I do that in my haunt, in little small town Huntington, Indiana? The haunt that is the longest running haunt in the world even if it isn't recognized by certain experts and industry self proclaimed sites and associations? No. I won't be doing it in Huntington.

    Would I do it in Ft Wayne, Indiana, at the Haunted Cave, my new haunt I just bought? Maybe. Ft Wayne is a bigger market. How would I do it? Well, one of the local radio stations morning shows that have a man and woman in their late 20's hosting have brought the idea to me to do a a ONE night charity fundraiser. So yes I may do it and keep it to one night and have fun with it as well as be very careful to control the whole event in a way to not lose our identity to a stereotype of that haunt with naked people.

    Why would I do it? If done right, the event would garner publicity, and with the radio station involved like this it would be a fad event with a charity benefiting. Several years ago we did an event that Kelly Collins had talked about in a seminar at MWH that we used. Try to stay the night at the Haunted Hotel was done with a Halloween costume store. At the end of the season ten names were drawn and the person who picked the right key (only 3 were brave enough to show up) got to stay after we closed on a Saturday night and had to be there until dawn to win $1000. The hand picked staff was promised $500 to split if they were successful in scaring them out. The kid stayed, but almost left in the middle of the night. The talk of that promotion went for several years as we kept fielding calls about it by people wanting to volunteer to try to win the money.

    As many have mentioned, this industry has a wide variety of event themes within itself and the idea of leaving a fear, that of being naked around others, is not broached very often. But the one host on the Today show that did say she would try it was from the United Kingdom, where nudity isn't the prudish thing we Americans make it out to be. The idea is not about sex, but fear of nudity around others.

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    Longest running Haunted House in the WORLD!!

    Hysterium Haunted Asylum (old Haunted Cave), Fort Wayne Indiana

    Hysterium Escapes - 4 rooms with 3 themes


    www.HauntedHuntington.com

    www.facebook.com/hauntedhotel

    www.Hysterium.com

    www.facebook.com/HysteriumFtWayne

    www.hysteriumescapes.com

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    Looks like the bad press caught up to him after all.

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