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    Seriously, anyone who defends this as great since he got on the news is a fool. You sound like it doesn't matter if its good or bad pr as long as you get pr and make the news it doesn't matter. No accountability or care for portraying a positive example and a professional for the industry is reckless and a black eye to you other haunt owners. Defending him makes you like just as low brow and classless as him. Again if you have a choice for positive pr or negative pr and you choose negative, then you are a classless fool as well as anyone who doesn't see it for whatnot is is as well. You should want more for this industry than this bottom feeder mentality stuff don't ask to be taken seriously on one hand and them think this was good on the other you don't deserve respect then.

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    WOW... DA I totally agree with 110%. And I'll go on record to say the people who tried to turn this around as I'm bashing are the people who are the true fools because they should look at each issue with fresh eyes and discuss the merits on an issue by issue case not what someone might have said 10 years ago. We were dead on right... and I didn't see one guy who slammed me for example run out and do their own naked haunted house.

    I will admit one thing... I've been running haunted houses for 25 years now. My attendance has been on the decline for three years now. I can admit it... I'm a big boy. Yes I can pin you in a corner but I can also shine the light on myself as well. I've been doing a lot of thnking the last couple of about what I can do different... I've come up a lot of options. We can and will discuss them after Halloween... but one thing I can tell is a naked haunt isn't one of them.

    I need to do things different me myself, I need a new spin on something we've been doing more or less the same for 20 years... yes we change the haunt probably more than anyone in the country. Yes our haunts are eye popping awesomeness... but that I don't think will cut it anymore we need something else. I think Pats haunt has been losing business as well over the ... he needed something drastic maybe but a naked haunt isn't it.

    We need to figure out things we can do as an industry that shakes up what we because our ticket prices are just too high now... I have some solutions but again doing something crude em.

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    How's Pat's attendance? Up or down over this? If it's up, well then. If it's the same, then nothing lost. The only way this works out bad is if it's down.

    And they're talking about the naked aspect instead of what? The butcher/kitchen scene that nearly everyone has? The scary clowns that wander through nearly every haunt there is? The ubiquitous chainsaw? Ooh, I know, the three-d fluorescent maze!!! I only see that everywhere. And you can go on and on--inbred rednecks, temples, tombs and crypts, puking animatronics, hanging body bag mazes--and squirting water. The list is endless.

    If they really started talking about what was in the attractions they'd come very quickly to the astounding homogeneity of the haunt experience--and we sure as hell don't want that.

    Even the TV shows try to avoid making it too apparent that all three great haunts they're showing you are frighteningly similar.

    And they're similar because these are the things that frighten people--there's no laziness in us, there's just a limited amount of phobias that are broad enough that they can be played out in a haunt setting. So we work on getting better with what we do more than we work on finding new things--because new things are always chancy.

    Worse, when a new thing works, it spreads through the industry like wildfire, so you get maybe a season of it all to yourself.

    But what Pat did, no one's gonna copy. We're not gonna see a rash of 'naked and scared houses'. It's either a one-off or, if it does bring his attendance up, something he'll have all to himself for at least a couple of years

    Is that good PR?

    What IS good PR? I know what REAL bad PR is. REAL bad PR is people coming out of your haunt and calling it lame--for whatever reason, crappy makeup, bad acting, not scary. That's REAL bad PR.

    But what's good PR? People coming out terrified? People using chicken exits? People pissing or crapping themselves? A bit back, one of our actors had an incident, he had to be taken out via ambulance. The EMTs thought his makeup was part of the incident--that he had some virulent infection and took all sorts of precautions before even touching him. After finding out they talked about it--and even deliberately used his makeup to pull the same gag on some of their co-workers after he was stable. They STILL talk about it. That's good PR.

    Pretty much all of our good PR revolves around horrible things. 'Family friendly' is the kiss of death(unless that was your goal).

    That's not bottom-feeding.

    Being a conscientious neighbor, upstanding in one's business dealings, these are all good, but they're not PR. They don't bring customers in the door. Pushing our haunts to just shy of where the community is up in arms--THAT brings people in the door. And that is where we thrive.
     

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    I guess this naked thing was good PR cuz he's got all of you talking about it.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by HauntedPaws View Post
    I guess this naked thing was good PR cuz he's got all of you talking about it.
    Nope! We're not customers we are haunters of course it's a topic we will be interested in due cussing even if not one source if media picked it up we'd still debate it because we're in the business. In other words, we're not the media so your point is invalid.

    I've watched thus thread from afar. But Larry is right this is not a positive thing at all.

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    No...it IS what EVERYONE is talking about. The mass media in this country has covered this story all over. Shocktoberfest seems to be the ONLY haunted house ANYONE in the media is talking about it. So, it's working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HauntedPaws View Post
    I guess this naked thing was good PR cuz he's got all of you talking about it.
    And that puts money in his bank account how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SomeThingInTheIce View Post
    And that puts money in his bank account how?

    Because talk-talk gets walk-walk. Or hadn't you noticed? How many of us invite media to our haunts? Have radio station on-sites? All of that--and this may come as a surprise--is to get people talking about our haunts. Because when they talk about them, they say things like 'I heard about Bob's Big Haunt and Scary Clown Maze on the radio/TV--let's go check it out!'

    Funny how that works.
     

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    Everyone I have talked to that heard about this doesn't even know the name of his haunt/show. How is it good PR if most if not all people don't even remember his haunts name. All they know is naked haunted house. Most didn't even know what state he is in.
     

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    Son-of-Sam good to see you post on this and utilize common sense. Jack is so dead set on supporting it I'm thinking he knows Pat well or works there for him.


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