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  • McKamey Manor

    No public comment from me , I'm just putting this out there:http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/...htmlstory.html
    http://www.piratesofemerson.com

  • #2
    People..

    It has always intrigued me how this place manages to keep coming back. I learned about this place in 2013 and said to myself "once this is well known to the public, it will be immediately shut down." Here I am four years later still wondering what the heck is up with this place!? I can't imagine why people would sign up for this. I'm also not a fan of how media refers to it as a "haunted house". It really isn't fair to attractions that put hours upon hours creating pieces of art that put you in an alternate reality. Anyone can shove people into buckets of water in their garage or torture someone....
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    • #3
      I’ve always been troubled by the media conflating that type of experience with traditional haunts.

      I can accept that there is a market for people who want to experience physical suffering in a controlled settling and that there are people who are happy to inflict it on them.

      Of course it raises the ethical and legal questions of how far such a service should be allowed to go even with the consent of all parties, but that’s an issue for the community at large and the regulators. Much like with pornographic content, society will have to find a balance between freedom of expression, freewill, and then the collective ethics of the people.

      The problem for us is when this type of violent experience is marketed as a Haunted House.

      This doesn’t do either business any good. It’s not good if patrons expect a traditional haunt and find themselves in the back of a van being roughed up. They may sign extensive wavers but if there’s enough talk about how it’s all smoke and mirrors then you wonder if such folks truely believe that they will take as much abuse as they do. Particularly in our modern society where everything has a waiver. Likewise, for folks who want a rough experience, it’s going to be disappointing to come to a normal haunt and find it isn’t violent.

      To me there’s two issues. Firstly, the community needs to decide if it will accept patron’s consenting to violent experiences, then if it does, these services need desperately to be given a new name and classed as the seperate industry they are. Call them abduction simulations, torture simulations or some other name, but do not call them Haunted Houses. They are not haunted houses.

      It’s not good for either business to have the general public misled about either product.

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      • #4
        Misconception

        Originally posted by David Polites View Post
        I’ve always been troubled by the media conflating that type of experience with traditional haunts.

        I can accept that there is a market for people who want to experience physical suffering in a controlled settling and that there are people who are happy to inflict it on them.

        Of course it raises the ethical and legal questions of how far such a service should be allowed to go even with the consent of all parties, but that’s an issue for the community at large and the regulators. Much like with pornographic content, society will have to find a balance between freedom of expression, freewill, and then the collective ethics of the people.

        The problem for us is when this type of violent experience is marketed as a Haunted House.

        This doesn’t do either business any good. It’s not good if patrons expect a traditional haunt and find themselves in the back of a van being roughed up. They may sign extensive wavers but if there’s enough talk about how it’s all smoke and mirrors then you wonder if such folks truely believe that they will take as much abuse as they do. Particularly in our modern society where everything has a waiver. Likewise, for folks who want a rough experience, it’s going to be disappointing to come to a normal haunt and find it isn’t violent.

        To me there’s two issues. Firstly, the community needs to decide if it will accept patron’s consenting to violent experiences, then if it does, these services need desperately to be given a new name and classed as the seperate industry they are. Call them abduction simulations, torture simulations or some other name, but do not call them Haunted Houses. They are not haunted houses.

        It’s not good for either business to have the general public misled about either product.
        I do agree with your point of people not doing too much research on a potential attraction. Especially with the younger generation (I'm a millennial myself EEK) we don't tend to actually take time to research what we are getting ourselves into. Many times I think people will sign anything if you ask them to and promise some sweet nothings. I think pushing a new name for these types of attractions would be a very progressive move for the sake of traditional haunted houses. But who knows how open the media would be to dis-classifying these types of dark situation attractions away from the haunted house industry. But at the end of the day things might not change and we as an industry are just going to have to grow in originality and creativeness to overcome some of these troubles.
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        • #5
          Two years ago we had a customer give us a poor review and said our haunt wasn’t scary enough. I responded and asked him what scared him and if he had been to a haunted house before. His response was he had been to McKamey Manor and he was comparing us to them. I thanked him for his responses and told him that if that was what it took to scare or entertain him; we would not be able to meet his expectations. We’ll never allow touching at our haunt and we certainly wouldn’t consider torturing our guests either.

          We get mostly very high reviews and are considered a very frightening experience, but it's hard to frighten a guest that only gets scared when someone is physically abusive towards them. I don't have a problem with businesses that provide this type of entertainment, it just isn't for me.

          I agree, if you are torturing guests, then they should be listed under something other than haunted house. Maybe torture chamber or torment room?

          Kelly

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Spikerip View Post

            I agree, if you are torturing guests, then they should be listed under something other than haunted house. Maybe torture chamber or torment room?

            Kelly
            Terror Experience? Terror Attraciton? Abduction Scenario? It's hard to pin a name
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            • #7
              I love this quote 'In the past, McKamey has denied inflicting harm beyond cuts and bruises on participants'.Fact of the matter is someone is going to die from this event it will be national news and it will hurt all haunted houses nationwide.Larry
              Larry Kirchner
              President
              www.HalloweenProductions.com
              www.BlacklightAttractions.com
              www.HauntedHouseSupplies.com
              www.HauntedHouseMagazine.com

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              • #8
                Originally posted by drfrightner View Post
                I love this quote 'In the past, McKamey has denied inflicting harm beyond cuts and bruises on participants'.Fact of the matter is someone is going to die from this event it will be national news and it will hurt all haunted houses nationwide.Larry
                This is a very valid point as the headlines will read "Haunted House takes it too far" or something like that, making the general public shy away from haunts in their own towns.
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                Haunting is a bug. This bug bit me really really hard.

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                • #9
                  What the guy does is just crazy flat out and should be illegal. Anyone who does this type of twisted stuff has issues. Larry
                  Larry Kirchner
                  President
                  www.HalloweenProductions.com
                  www.BlacklightAttractions.com
                  www.HauntedHouseSupplies.com
                  www.HauntedHouseMagazine.com

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                  • #10
                    How Bou dat

                    We got some complaints because they weren't touched enough.SMH
                    Joe Phillips
                    The Shallow Grave
                    Winter Haven FL
                    http://www.theshallowgrave.com/

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Joe P View Post
                      We got some complaints because they weren't touched enough.SMH
                      Would it be an interesting idea to offer glow stick wrist bands if you have a lot of suggestions for more touch? You could make them pay more for a orange wristband that would be light touching and a red for "all contact" (courtesy applied of course)
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                      Haunting is a bug. This bug bit me really really hard.

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                      • #12
                        This guys is the single biggest black eye to our industry. He's full of himself and a danger to the entire industry. Personally I think the industry should send our press releases explaining what is or isn't a haunted house. His attraction isn't a haunted house its a crime waiting to happen.

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                        • #13
                          I heard some stories about this place last week from some haunters. Who knows what is true but lets hope the PR days for this place are over. Larry
                          Larry Kirchner
                          President
                          www.HalloweenProductions.com
                          www.BlacklightAttractions.com
                          www.HauntedHouseSupplies.com
                          www.HauntedHouseMagazine.com

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